Thursday, October 28, 2010

Moving from Singapore to Johor

A bit about us: We're Singapore PRs who have been working in Singapore for quite a number of years. I personally have been in Singapore for a total of 11 years now.

After years of renting in Singapore and with the ever increasing rental costs, we finally decided to stop wasting money on rent and buy a property for us to live in while we work in Singapore for the next few years.

We looked at various apartments and some landed properties in Singapore. I'm not sure about you, but to us, the real estate prices in Singapore are quite ridiculous (e.g. SGD36M for a house in Sentosa Cove is just stupid). So we decided to purchase a house in Nusajaya (Johor) and Australia (coming up soon) instead.

We are now living in Johor and working in Singapore, which means commuting everyday to Singapore. This blog is about the journey of our new days in Johor and hopefully it also provides some personal learnings to those interested about making the leap to JB.

86 comments:

  1. Hi Erika, We are a Western Australian Family, looking at purchasing a holiday home in Johor Baru with close proximity to Singapore. We have been told we can only buy at RM$500,000. Are there any properties in your local community (resale or new) at RM$500,000. We tried surfing the local I-Property but were not satisfied. Perhaps you could advise us. Our e-mail address is Regards Adrian & Lindy from Mandurah.

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  2. Hi Adrian,

    Thanks for reading my blog! I don't see your email address, would you please resend it.

    Are you planning to purchase in Johor Baru (which is the old and central part of JB city) or a place in Nusajaya (newer part - which is where I'm currently residing)?

    How big is the place that you're looking to purchase? For RM500K, I would suggest looking at the linked duplexes (smaller units). Do drop me your email address and I will email you the contact person I have.

    Have a great weekend!~
    Erika

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  3. Hi Erika
    I've been following your blog pretty regularly. I must say I am very impressed with your bold move to JB.

    My husband has always been trying to convince me to buy a property in JB. I am never a big fan of JB, however, your stories have changed my perspective of staying in JB and working in SG.

    We are looking and doing a bit of homework to purchase a property, not too far away from Tuas Checkpoint. Like you, my office is currently in Tanjong Pagar. Any advice from you will be great.

    Thanks a million! :)

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  4. Hello Manja,

    Thanks for reading my blog and for your comments. I have never ever ever in my whole life thought that I would be living in Johor. During my 10 years in Singapore, I had previously been to JB probably 2x :) I guess, if we open our eyes a little bit, open up to possibilities, then nothing is impossible :)

    The first month, especially first week was extremely stressful (given that I hardly drove before moving to Johor). After a while, I became used to living here and things became a lot easier.

    My biggest advice would be to explore, talk to as many people as you can, come visit this area and see if this suits your lifestyle and if it is really something that you're looking for (know what's driving you to look at this area). When you have this clearly defined in your mind, it becomes a lot easier to make the move :)

    To meet more folks in this neighbourhood, please feel free to join our residents gathering on Thursday 7.30 pm at Ledang Clubhouse.

    Hope this helps. If you have any further questions, feel free to post your questions.

    Have a great evening!
    Erika

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  5. Hi Erika
    I went down to have a look at your neighbourhood on Sunday! The area is so gorgeous! I really love your neighbourhood and the fact that it's nearer and faster to get to the checkpoint, is a + point.

    I only get to see their bungalow showrooms - they are massive! Totally won't be able to afford those ones but well, no harm done at dreaming.

    I'm on a look-out for affordable East Ledang property. Hopefully one will open up within my budget.

    Have a good week and great job with the blog!

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  6. Thanks for reading my blog Manja. You should keep an eye on sub-sale properties. There should be more properties available for sub-sale when phase II and 7 are completed. Best of luck in your house hunting :)

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  7. We are SG PRs who wanted to move to Johor state. May we know what were the steps you took when u opt for this arrangement? I truly appreciate if you can email me the details at maconcepcionreyes@yahoo.com. Thanks a lot!

    Maria

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  8. Hi Dagny,

    Thanks for reading my blog. I've dropped you an email.

    Happy Sunday,
    erika

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  10. Hi Erika,

    I am considering to move to Johor, could you tell me website where i could find property for sale at Johor? My email is ing.ing07 (at) gmail (dot) com

    Thanks.

    Regards,

    Ing Ing

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  11. Hi Erika,

    I am on EP, working in Singapore & considering to move to Johor. Currently I am looking to rent the place instead of buying one. Can help to advice on the pit-falls? My email is gilani.hassan@gmail.com

    Thanks for your time and effort.

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    1. hi Hassan, thanks for reading my blog. Apologies for my late reply. I will drop you an email at your email address.

      Have a great Sunday,
      Erika

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  12. Hi Erika,

    I am a Malaysian holding EP working in Singapore. Can you suggest any good properties (with superb security) in Johor? Near Tuas would be great, semi-D or bungalow. My email is Wong.vinkee@gmail.com

    Many thanks

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    1. Hi Ali, thanks for reading my blog. You can consider Horizon Hills/East Ledang/Ledang Heights as these are the closest development to Tuas checkpoint (+ with gated security).

      Have a great weekend,
      ERika

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  13. Hi Erika, I'm Malaysian who is currently located in New Zealand. I'm considering working in SG, though I'm having doubts since the rental is quite high. I'd like to know about daily travel from JB to SG. I heard that having cars in SG needs certain license, but what if the car was bought in JB. Would there be parking problems etc. Would appreciate hearing back from you: luv2bme13@gmail.com . Thanks :)

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    1. Hi Sharleenc, thanks for reading my blog. The daily travel takes about an hour on average each way. If you're a Singaporean PR, you would only be allowed to drive SG registered car into Singapore. If you're not a PR, you can buy and drive MY registered car into SG. There's an entrance charge that you'd need to pay at SG checkpoint, which I believe cost ~$20/entrance.

      Cheers,
      Erika

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  14. Hi Erika;
    Thanks for your good information.
    Actually I have a question.
    I am a PhD student in Singapore and I have student visa in Singapore.
    I want to know that can I live in JB and work in Singapore.
    I am Iranian, So I can come to JB without visa, but I am not PR of Singapore.
    My email is: abkf1361@gmail.com
    I really appreciate your help in this regard.
    Thanks in advance
    Amir

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    1. hi Amir, thanks for reading my blog. I am not familiar with Malaysia-Iran passport/visa requirement. Based on this site http://www.voyage99.com/visa-rules.html, it says that Iranian do not need visa but can stay up to 14 days per entry. I suggest speaking to MY immigration to get a clearer picture.

      Hope this helps,
      Erika

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  15. Hi Erika.. Can u recommend me a movers coz im moving to johor this Sunday.. n do u know how much it cost? can u email me at montzkhai@gmail.com or call me at +6586111597.. Siti. thanks.

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    1. Hi Siti, apologies for my very late reply. I hope your move was smooth and you're all settled into your new place. Welcome to Johor :)

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    2. Hi Erika, I was searching for movers from Singapore to JB when I came across this thread. Can you recommend me the movers and the cost and perhaps also advise on getting passport stamps through the immigration everyday? You can email me at riz1501@gmail.com.

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    3. hi Rizal, apologies for missing your msg.

      You can refer to my article on moving companies:
      http://expatjohor.blogspot.sg/2010/10/logistics-of-moving-to-johor.html

      All the best,
      Erika

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  16. Hi Erika,

    Its an amazing blog you have here,especially providing whatever information you have to help people who is thinking of making the move to JB.
    I am a Singaporean and my husband is a PR,we have 2 kids,15 and 9 years old respectively,and we have actually decided to take this bold step to move to JB and commute with kids to school in Singapore daily.
    We are planning to move in December this year and we have found a place to rent at a place called Setia Eco,why we decided to rent first is because since we have kids we are not very sure if lifetsyle changes in JB would suit us,so we decided to 'test the waters' first and if all goes well then perhaps we will buy a property there in the near future...I am excited at the same time very very apprehensive as it would be a big change,the long and early start of commuting int he mornings and back,its alittle daunting i must say,but as things are getting alittle too expensive in Singapore,we thought it would be a good move to at least try to save some money..
    Although we will be living in a gated community as they call it,i am still unsure about the security and safety,thus the apprehension..do u have any wise words of advice for newbies like me please?:-)
    My email address is amitji1110@yahoo.com.sg
    Hope to be in touch.
    Thanks very much
    Cheers
    Mumtaz

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    1. Hi Mumtaz,

      Thank you for reading my blog and for your encouragement. I try to share as much as possible about our experience moving and living here, glad to hear that it helps :)

      I think it's good that you're renting to give it a try. Living in Johor, to be honest, is not for everyone. It's suitable mostly to families who are after more quiet living and bigger space (of course lower cost of living). I have not visited Setia Eco so I am not sure about the security in Setia Eco.

      I find that Johor is like any other cities (except for SG), yes you do need to exert caution and just be vigilent, use common sense in your neighborhood and when you're out and about. So far touch wood, we've not had any issues.

      I would suggest looking at your neighborhood, what type of people live in Setia Eco, developer's commitment (this is also a challenge, you always have to have the community check on developer to ensure that they deliver their promises).

      It would take a week or two to settle in and maybe slightly longer to get used to the commute, but really depends on individuals. I'm quite used to the travel, of course sometimes I wish that my transport could be more convenient, but it is what it is. We're still happy living here (touching 2 years soon) and we have great neighbours - which I think can make a big difference.

      All the best for your move, if you have any other qs, please feel free to write to me. I'll try my best to help :)

      Rgds,
      Erika

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    2. Hi Erika,
      Thanks very much for replying.

      Yup,looking forward to the move which is coming up in Dec this year.
      Will keep in touch.
      Thanks again,cheers
      Mumtaz

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    3. All the best for your move Shataz (it's coming up soon!).

      Cheers,
      Erika

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  17. Hello Erika,

    My name is Sheeth and i am currently working in SG on EP. I am looking for prospects of staying in Johor and travelling daily to SG. Please advise on thw options available for me.

    1) Can i travel daily on Multiple entry Malaysian Visa.
    2) Can i own a Malaysian registered car and travel daily to SG.
    3) Can i hire a maid in Johor. I need one as i have 5 year old son.

    My email ID is sheethp@gmail.com.

    Regards,
    Sheeth

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    1. Hi Sheeth,

      Thanks for reading my blog. I believe I have replied via the message board, but so that others can read this too, I'll reply here as well.

      1) Can i travel daily on Multiple entry Malaysian Visa.
      Erika: Yes you can, we apply for Malaysian Automated Clearance pass which means your passport will not be stamped when you enter & leave MY. Info on how to apply can be found in my older article: http://expatjohor.blogspot.com/2010/10/singapore-johor-commute.html

      2) Can i own a Malaysian registered car and travel daily to SG.
      Erika: If you're a SG citizen/PR, you can't drive non-SG registered cars into SG. You can drive non-SG cars in MY.

      3) Can i hire a maid in Johor. I need one as i have 5 year old son.
      Erika: Only if you hold employment pass/business visa/PR/Malaysian 2nd Home then you can employ a maid legally in MY. Social visit pass holders are not eligible to employ anyone.

      I hope this helps, all the best for your research and if I can be of any further help, please feel free to drop me a msg.

      Best regards,
      Erika

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  18. Hi Erika,

    Can let me know what's the mix of the residents at Ledang like. for e.g., are they from Singapore, M'sia, etc. Is there a residents meeting on weekends or maybe you guys have some meet ups on weekends during the day. I'm planning to check out Nusajaya probably next weekend. I'm trying to figure out how is the community there like.

    Thanks
    email: fieryfiremail@gmail.com

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    1. Hello Ben,

      Thanks again for reading my blog and apologies for my late reply. The community in East Ledang and Ledang heights (so is Leisure Farm) is very international. There are many expats ranging from Singaporeans to Americans to Russians, South Africans, Australians etc living here. There's usually a once a month gathering in Leisure Farm. We usually have smaller gathering within the neighbours that we're closer with as well, so dinners are very regular. Overall, it's a very nice community and most people are very helpful.

      Cheers,
      erika

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  19. Hi Ben,

    We're a Singaporean family thinking of renting a condo unit at JB. I'm a private tutor and my wife is a legal executive.

    1. Do I need an employment pass to be able to rent at JB ?
    2. I'm planning to take an international driving license at JB an then buy a SG car to commute between JB and SG. Is this possible ?

    Best Rgds,
    Sazulee
    sazulee@gmail.com

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    1. Hello Sazulee,

      I'm not sure if you're addressing the question to me or my reader, Ben :), but I'll try to answer questions too.

      1). not that I know of
      2). I think you'll need a SG license but best to check with LTAs.

      GOod luck! Happy NY!
      ERika

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  20. That is so awesome. I’m so glad you had a good experience. We all miss you here though so don’t get too comfortable.
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  21. Hi Erika, thank you for posting updates on your blog so often - I've been reading most of your articles the past few days and they're really insightful and helpful. My fiance and I are looking to move to JB and we're pretty much set on the idea; however I'd like to seek your advise on things like:
    1. applying for bank loans (since we're singaporeans, are there any special requirements we need to fulfil?)
    2. getting home insurance sorted
    3. when you mentioned above regarding security and developer's commitment, what measures did yours take to ensure enhanced security?
    4. furnitures - did you shop for yours in malaysia or shop in singapore and move them over?
    3. looking for a part-time domestic helper

    sorry for the barrage of questions and i'd love to hear from you!

    thanks
    fann

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    1. Hi Fann,

      I'm very sorry for the very belated response, I missed your comment somehow.
      Thanks for reading my blog.

      To answer your questions:

      1. Not really, you have to invest in minimum of RM1M value property and I believe the max amount of loan is now 70% (used to be 80%). Best to double check with banks though.

      2. Building/house insurance is organised through bank (compulsory for loans). Home content is additional which you can also organise through the bank that you're getting home loan from. Premium depends on type of coverage and value of coverage.

      3. Through pro-tem committee, we pushed for a change in security company with UEM C-Level and East Ledang is now guarded by Nepalese Gurkha which follows more streamlined and better security checks/procedures.

      4. Most of our furniture are from Bali, we shipped 1 container from Bali about 1.5 years ago. We also had some stuff made with Jawhari @ nusa bestari, quality's very good but they do take quite a while. All other cabinets are custom-made by our ID contractor.

      5. There are part-time cleaners who come and clean once/twice week that many of neighbours use, so this would not be a problem.

      Hope this helps, good luck with your research!
      Erika


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  22. Hi Erika,

    I am looking movers from Sin to Jb by May.
    Did u have any recommendation?

    Thanks and have a nice day.

    Best Regards,
    Grace
    kiro.grace@gmail.com

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    1. Hi Grace,

      Please feel free to refer to my previous article on moving companies:
      http://expatjohor.blogspot.sg/2010/10/logistics-of-moving-to-johor.html

      All the best,
      ERika

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  23. I enjoyed reading your blog and it is both informative and interesting. Singapore Movers

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    1. Hi Vetra, thanks for reading my blog and your support :)

      have a nice day,
      Erika

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    1. No worries, thanks for reading my blog!

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  25. Nice sharing with us. Its more helpful for us. I found more useful information from this blog. Malaysia Movers

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  26. I experienced studying your website and it is both useful and exciting.

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  27. This is good idea to move to johar because it is more convenient for you to commute. But do much research before taking final decision because it can be very tidy and time consuming process. to move for you. singapore mover

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    1. Definitely agree with your point Jenny!

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  28. Hi Erika

    Your blog is useful.. Thanks.. I also did further study and felt that it is a good idea to stay there.. However, I have a kid (18 months) with Dependant Pass in Singapore.. If we move to JB, do you think we can admit her in any of international preschool there? I wonder if this is possible as we are foreigners with workpass in Singapore and entering MY everyday on jus Visit Pass.. Await your reply on this question.. thanks much..

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    1. Hi Karthik, thanks for reading my blog. If you have workpass in SG, you should be able to apply for MAC pass (Malaysia automated clearance), but you'll still be on social visit pass in MY which should be fine but best to double check with immigration on this. I'm not sure about preschool admission, I think it should be ok, but again, best to double check with the schools.

      All the best,
      ERika

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  29. Hi,
    I have been reading your blog for past days, it is good idea to move to Johar from Singapore.

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  30. Hi Erika,
    Good blog you have here.
    I would like to share something. I am a Malaysian. I worked at Marlborough College at Nusajaya before. 95% of the parents of the students there are not Malaysian. Most of them are from UK.

    I heard more and more of them are moving to jb. The foreigners have to buy houses pricing RM500,000 and above but still it is much much more cheaper than houses in Singapore.

    I would suggest them buying house a little further from nusajaya but with easy road access to Singapore as u can get a bigger house with the RM500,00.

    There are a lot of International school to choose from. Marlborough college is 1 option. But the fees are ridicilous.

    U can also invest in unit trusts fund in malaysian banks. As it doesn't restrict it to only Malaysian. Especially for those Singaporean who plans to settle down and retire and live in Jb, they could sell their house and just put their saving in a unit trust fund and just sit at home and enjoy life.

    I can help you with the investment if anybody is interested. The best fund in Malaysia now is giving 15% return p.a. in average. In 2012, they gave 26%.

    I can also help anybody who needs to find houses or international schools as i have some friends.

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  31. Hi, It's a great job. thanks for sharing with us... I enjoyed it. Air Freight

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  32. Hi Erika,

    Good to read your blog, I am wondering to know the details of moving to JB, finally found your blog. Kindly clarify me, I am holding EP in singapore, does Singapore and malaysian law permits me to live in JB and work in Singapore.

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    1. Hi Renick, thanks for reading my blog. I'm no immigration expert, but there are many people with similar arrangement as you (i.e. EP holder but live in Johor and commute to Singapore for work daily). All the best.

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  33. Hi Erika!

    Wonderful blog you have here, it really puts at ease many of the worries I've had. I'm Singaporean and married to a Brazilian and we are planning to rent a place in Johor to "get our feet wet" first before buying a place. Happy to know there is a support system somewhere out there.

    Cheers!

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    1. Thanks for reading my blog, happy to help, please feel free to reach out :) All the best for your trial move

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  37. What address do you put for your Singapore Blue IC since you are the Sg PR? Sg or My address?
    Is it necessary to use a Singapore Address for the sake of being approved when renewing the REP?

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  38. Am wondering if P.O.Box is allowed to be used as the address? :)

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  39. Hi there,

    I am a singaporean moving into JB Nusajaya sentral. was wondering if you have any cheap movers to recommend?

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  42. Hi Erika,

    Thank you for having this page and I enjoy reading it.

    Here is my situation. I'm an EP Holder and renting a room in SG currently. I have a plan of shifting out to Johor (particularly, Bukit Indah) as I would like to have my own property. I have a plan of driving a M'sia Car, in & out of SG daily until the announcement of hike in VEP from $20 - $35. Now it sounds a bit ridiculous for me to pay that kind of money..

    Do you have any advice from me? Probably I can consider car pool, commute via public transport, or park near to custom (wondering if there's any car park near to 2nd link). Please help..

    Regards,
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  45. Hi Erika,

    This is a really great blog !

    I am a SPR and moving in to JB to stay. My only concern is the transportation from jb to Singapore for work. I will be staying in tropez residence (Danga Bay Area) and working at raffles place. and I do not own any vehicles ... And my work place is at raffles place : any tips that you could share with me :)

    Warmest regards,
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    Quite urgent, thanks for replying in advance.
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